Whoo boy. You guys are 100% right that I should not have neglected this, even in fear of the word count limit, and I appologize. So. Here we go.
As Chat Noir, Adrien is in the weird state of having a mask being the very thing that allows him to drop his masks. Where Adrien has to be polite and cautious and obedient - especially early in the series - Chat Noir has a nearly impenetrable super suit, tremendous magical powers, and a blank slate when it comes to expectations. He dove in head first, reveling in the freedom.
As Chat Noir, Adrien is the first to jump into danger. He loves to crack jokes at almost any situation and seems to have mastered annoying akumas into being so frustrated they make stupid mistakes. He has a pun for every occasion and in the early seasons very rarely seemed to be able to take anything seriously. He seemed like he saw superheroing as a game. And in a way it was.
He fell in love with Ladybug at nearly first sight. The episodes were released out of order, but I am going to try to go with in universe chronology, which means that the last two parter of season 1 was actually the start of the adventure for Chat Noir and Ladybug. In that episode he got to see Ladybug in a way she'd rarely be seen later - unsure, self doubting, and afraid. But he also watched her overcome that. When Papillon would have had the whole of Paris seeing Ladybug and Chat Noir as the villains, Ladybug came into her own and stepped up. That was pretty much the moment that Chat Noir - and thus Adrien - fell head over heels in love with the girl behind the mask.
In fact, it was pretty much only Ladybug doing something reckless in the early episodes that could make Chat Nori act serious. Like when she jumped into the open mouth of a dinosaur and he thought she was dead. He panicked then. Generally he was the one to take risks, trusting Ladybug completely. He took her orders even when he had no clue what she had in mind, trusting that she would get them through, and he trusted that if he got himself killed, her power would bring him back. Which is probably why he has proven out to have far more than nine lives.
Of course, having never fallen in love, he... had no clue how to actually court her. His first attempts were so, well, laughable, that she thought he was kidding and actually laughed at her. The problem for him was that he really was learning how to interact with people in a whole new way, for the first time, without guidance or advice. What made matters worse was that once he was sent to go protect Marinette as part of one of Ladybug's plans, and trying to clam what he presumed was a panicked civilian - at that point he mostly saw Marinette as a friend who was sweet but awkward and clumsy and terrified of seemingly everything - he played the chivalrous goofball. Which... was close enough to his way of flirting that Marientte, who is secretly Ladybug, considered this proof that Chat's love confessions were just him goofing around and that he didn't really mean it, and she leaned into the goofing around dynamic, rather than taking his romance seriously.
Eventually Chat Noir was able to convince Ladybug that he was serious, and was let down gently. It hurt. A lot. And it took him a while to get over it. But he didn't push her once he realized her NO was firm, and except for a few small bumps in the road remained her trusted and trustworthy partner as he tried to make himself love her in a different way. Oddly, he spent some time as Chat Noir talking with Marinette about their one sided loves, which was interesting for the audience who was in the know that this was a two person love square.
We have seen alternate futures and similar that keep making it clear that Ladybug and Chat Noir becoming a couple would doom the world, but those were during circumstances that as of his pull point no longer existed, or didn't yet exist. Like learning each other's secret identities or the fact that they were still fighting Papillon. The one time we do see it seem to work out at all was when an akuma gave them a shared dreamstate in which they were a couple and lived happily, raising children. Except that they never revealed who they were, even when they thought they were married with kids. It was... a very weird episode.
Throughout their adventures together, Ladybug and Chat Noir grew closer as friends and partners, if not as romantic love interests. This isn't to say there were no bumps in the road, of course. During the New York special, Chat Noir said he was staying in Paris and wound up going to New York, and that caused a lot of friction between them and a fair amount of guilt on his behalf. It was one of the many times he tried to renounce his Miraculous, certain that he didn't deserve it. But hearing Ladybug say that she couldn't be Ladybug without him brought him back. There was also a long span where Ladybug was giving other people each their own Miraculous and Chat Noir had to deal with feelings of jealousy and anger when he was no longer her only trusted partner. In fact, with Rena Rouge/Alya he felt he was actually less trusted and it hurt. This peaked when a trapped Ladybug gave Alya the Ladybug Miraculous, and then again when Ladybug gave Felix - thinking he was Adrien - the Miraculous of the Dog.
Which was a disaster. Ladybug and Chat Noir wound up having a number of very serious discussions after that, and they actually grew closer. And he felt stronger for having had a fight, being able to air his feelings, and... being listened to, heard, understood, apologized to. All by someone he respected. It wasn't an echo of what happened between Adrien and Chloé, which was important. It affirmed that he was actually a person worth taking seriously, that the problem wasn't him. Or at least, not all him.
One major recurring trauma for Chat Noir that bled into Adrien at the end of season five was the fear of his own power. At the start if his adventures he was wild and reckless with it. But Ladybug helped him to see how dangerous it actually could be, and he started being terrified that he would accidentally Cataclysm a person. It nearly happened so many times that when he actually was forced to use it on Monarch it haunted him. Without him ever knowing that it was his father. The nightmare he had at the end, the PTSD-esk vision given to him by the final akuma involved him losing control of his power and killing everyone.
It has been a fun ride watching Chat Noir mature, and seeing that until the last battle, at least, he kept a sense of humor and bad puns even when things were dark and grim. How things will go from here... we can only wait and see. Except for those of us who get to RP him and find out sooner.
Plagg:
He's easy at least. He tries to come across as lazy and piggish, caring more about cheese than anything else. And most of that is actually true, to a point. He could talk about cheese all day if no one stopped him, and would rather eat cheese or sleep than do nearly anything else...
But for all he claims cheese is his first last and only love... he really cares about the people who use his Miraculous. He loves Adrien dearly. He cared about Zoé even though she was Blaqueminette only briefly. He loves about Marinette, he cares about Alya too. And of course he cares deeply about Tikki, the Kwami of the Ladybug Miraculous.
For someone who claims all he loves is cheese, maybe sleep, and more cheese, he has a heart larger than all of reality. However he really is a glutton for cheese and will spend all day eating and sleeping if given the choice. And his love is rarely expressed clearly. Usually you can only tell once he starts comparing you to cheese...
The added stuff for Plagg:
It really is difficult to go more into detail with him without it coming down to cheese. He plays up that part of his personalty more than he ever shows anything else. He works it into pretty much every conversation, both serious and otherwise. He does try to do his best for Adrien, near the end. At the start he mostly comes across as a lazy glutton, but as the series progresses and we learn more about the Kwamis - Mostly from Tikki and Master Fu - you can start to wonder if he didn't expect Adrien to last long and was trying to protect himself. But by the end of season five, he dearly does love Adrien and is more open with his affection. In his own sort of roundabout way.
The wiki says things like easy going, but my read is more like lazy. He'll work when he has to, but he'd rather Adrien spend time with him as Adrien then transform into Chat Noir. While he will speak up when Adrien has what he thinks is a bad idea, like with the Snake Mirauclous when Chat Noir had to spend months of five minute intervals of watching Ladybug die over and over again (ouch), but he doesn't really expect Adrien to listen to him.
In the early seasons we see his curiosity get him and others into some bad scrapes, but he does that less and less as the show went on, and mostly only sneaks away from Adrien near the end when he's going to consult with Tikki. He is really concerned about Chat Noir and Ladybug becoming a couple in the later episodes, even though he didn't seem to care in the early ones. Tiki's insistence that Marinette is horrible at being in love soothes him, but somehow when Marinette and Adrien do wind up together at the end of season five he seems to be okay with it? Unclear if he isn't and he'll be upset about it in Season Six, or if he is okay with it because they're hiding their secret identities still, or if this is just inconsistency in writing him.
But yeah, the summary of Plagg really is a lazy glutton who hides a good heart under laziness and odes to cheese. If it helps any, though, he usually hides and rarely interacts with anyone other than whoever holds his Miraculous - Adrien in game - and Tikki.
Inventory update:
Plagg - nice and easy. Nothing.
Adrien: His Miraculous and thus Plagg His parents rings, two silver bands he wears together on a single finger. His cellphone with photos of his family and friends. his good luck charm from Marinette Cheese - both regular camembert and some of the pre-doused wedges, since he always seems to have that in show even when he doesn't have his either of his bags.
I hope these changes are acceptable, and I am sorry that I did not do a better job on the original app. Thank you for your time and consideration.
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Part 2
on 2024-01-06 09:24 am (UTC)As Chat Noir:
Whoo boy. You guys are 100% right that I should not have neglected this, even in fear of the word count limit, and I appologize. So. Here we go.
As Chat Noir, Adrien is in the weird state of having a mask being the very thing that allows him to drop his masks. Where Adrien has to be polite and cautious and obedient - especially early in the series - Chat Noir has a nearly impenetrable super suit, tremendous magical powers, and a blank slate when it comes to expectations. He dove in head first, reveling in the freedom.
As Chat Noir, Adrien is the first to jump into danger. He loves to crack jokes at almost any situation and seems to have mastered annoying akumas into being so frustrated they make stupid mistakes. He has a pun for every occasion and in the early seasons very rarely seemed to be able to take anything seriously. He seemed like he saw superheroing as a game. And in a way it was.
He fell in love with Ladybug at nearly first sight. The episodes were released out of order, but I am going to try to go with in universe chronology, which means that the last two parter of season 1 was actually the start of the adventure for Chat Noir and Ladybug. In that episode he got to see Ladybug in a way she'd rarely be seen later - unsure, self doubting, and afraid. But he also watched her overcome that. When Papillon would have had the whole of Paris seeing Ladybug and Chat Noir as the villains, Ladybug came into her own and stepped up. That was pretty much the moment that Chat Noir - and thus Adrien - fell head over heels in love with the girl behind the mask.
In fact, it was pretty much only Ladybug doing something reckless in the early episodes that could make Chat Nori act serious. Like when she jumped into the open mouth of a dinosaur and he thought she was dead. He panicked then. Generally he was the one to take risks, trusting Ladybug completely. He took her orders even when he had no clue what she had in mind, trusting that she would get them through, and he trusted that if he got himself killed, her power would bring him back. Which is probably why he has proven out to have far more than nine lives.
Of course, having never fallen in love, he... had no clue how to actually court her. His first attempts were so, well, laughable, that she thought he was kidding and actually laughed at her. The problem for him was that he really was learning how to interact with people in a whole new way, for the first time, without guidance or advice. What made matters worse was that once he was sent to go protect Marinette as part of one of Ladybug's plans, and trying to clam what he presumed was a panicked civilian - at that point he mostly saw Marinette as a friend who was sweet but awkward and clumsy and terrified of seemingly everything - he played the chivalrous goofball. Which... was close enough to his way of flirting that Marientte, who is secretly Ladybug, considered this proof that Chat's love confessions were just him goofing around and that he didn't really mean it, and she leaned into the goofing around dynamic, rather than taking his romance seriously.
Eventually Chat Noir was able to convince Ladybug that he was serious, and was let down gently. It hurt. A lot. And it took him a while to get over it. But he didn't push her once he realized her NO was firm, and except for a few small bumps in the road remained her trusted and trustworthy partner as he tried to make himself love her in a different way. Oddly, he spent some time as Chat Noir talking with Marinette about their one sided loves, which was interesting for the audience who was in the know that this was a two person love square.
We have seen alternate futures and similar that keep making it clear that Ladybug and Chat Noir becoming a couple would doom the world, but those were during circumstances that as of his pull point no longer existed, or didn't yet exist. Like learning each other's secret identities or the fact that they were still fighting Papillon. The one time we do see it seem to work out at all was when an akuma gave them a shared dreamstate in which they were a couple and lived happily, raising children. Except that they never revealed who they were, even when they thought they were married with kids. It was... a very weird episode.
Throughout their adventures together, Ladybug and Chat Noir grew closer as friends and partners, if not as romantic love interests. This isn't to say there were no bumps in the road, of course. During the New York special, Chat Noir said he was staying in Paris and wound up going to New York, and that caused a lot of friction between them and a fair amount of guilt on his behalf. It was one of the many times he tried to renounce his Miraculous, certain that he didn't deserve it. But hearing Ladybug say that she couldn't be Ladybug without him brought him back. There was also a long span where Ladybug was giving other people each their own Miraculous and Chat Noir had to deal with feelings of jealousy and anger when he was no longer her only trusted partner. In fact, with Rena Rouge/Alya he felt he was actually less trusted and it hurt. This peaked when a trapped Ladybug gave Alya the Ladybug Miraculous, and then again when Ladybug gave Felix - thinking he was Adrien - the Miraculous of the Dog.
Which was a disaster. Ladybug and Chat Noir wound up having a number of very serious discussions after that, and they actually grew closer. And he felt stronger for having had a fight, being able to air his feelings, and... being listened to, heard, understood, apologized to. All by someone he respected. It wasn't an echo of what happened between Adrien and Chloé, which was important. It affirmed that he was actually a person worth taking seriously, that the problem wasn't him. Or at least, not all him.
One major recurring trauma for Chat Noir that bled into Adrien at the end of season five was the fear of his own power. At the start if his adventures he was wild and reckless with it. But Ladybug helped him to see how dangerous it actually could be, and he started being terrified that he would accidentally Cataclysm a person. It nearly happened so many times that when he actually was forced to use it on Monarch it haunted him. Without him ever knowing that it was his father. The nightmare he had at the end, the PTSD-esk vision given to him by the final akuma involved him losing control of his power and killing everyone.
It has been a fun ride watching Chat Noir mature, and seeing that until the last battle, at least, he kept a sense of humor and bad puns even when things were dark and grim. How things will go from here... we can only wait and see. Except for those of us who get to RP him and find out sooner.
Plagg:
He's easy at least. He tries to come across as lazy and piggish, caring more about cheese than anything else. And most of that is actually true, to a point. He could talk about cheese all day if no one stopped him, and would rather eat cheese or sleep than do nearly anything else...
But for all he claims cheese is his first last and only love... he really cares about the people who use his Miraculous. He loves Adrien dearly. He cared about Zoé even though she was Blaqueminette only briefly. He loves about Marinette, he cares about Alya too. And of course he cares deeply about Tikki, the Kwami of the Ladybug Miraculous.
For someone who claims all he loves is cheese, maybe sleep, and more cheese, he has a heart larger than all of reality. However he really is a glutton for cheese and will spend all day eating and sleeping if given the choice. And his love is rarely expressed clearly. Usually you can only tell once he starts comparing you to cheese...
The added stuff for Plagg:
It really is difficult to go more into detail with him without it coming down to cheese. He plays up that part of his personalty more than he ever shows anything else. He works it into pretty much every conversation, both serious and otherwise. He does try to do his best for Adrien, near the end. At the start he mostly comes across as a lazy glutton, but as the series progresses and we learn more about the Kwamis - Mostly from Tikki and Master Fu - you can start to wonder if he didn't expect Adrien to last long and was trying to protect himself. But by the end of season five, he dearly does love Adrien and is more open with his affection. In his own sort of roundabout way.
The wiki says things like easy going, but my read is more like lazy. He'll work when he has to, but he'd rather Adrien spend time with him as Adrien then transform into Chat Noir. While he will speak up when Adrien has what he thinks is a bad idea, like with the Snake Mirauclous when Chat Noir had to spend months of five minute intervals of watching Ladybug die over and over again (ouch), but he doesn't really expect Adrien to listen to him.
In the early seasons we see his curiosity get him and others into some bad scrapes, but he does that less and less as the show went on, and mostly only sneaks away from Adrien near the end when he's going to consult with Tikki. He is really concerned about Chat Noir and Ladybug becoming a couple in the later episodes, even though he didn't seem to care in the early ones. Tiki's insistence that Marinette is horrible at being in love soothes him, but somehow when Marinette and Adrien do wind up together at the end of season five he seems to be okay with it? Unclear if he isn't and he'll be upset about it in Season Six, or if he is okay with it because they're hiding their secret identities still, or if this is just inconsistency in writing him.
But yeah, the summary of Plagg really is a lazy glutton who hides a good heart under laziness and odes to cheese. If it helps any, though, he usually hides and rarely interacts with anyone other than whoever holds his Miraculous - Adrien in game - and Tikki.
Inventory update:
Plagg - nice and easy. Nothing.
Adrien:
His Miraculous and thus Plagg
His parents rings, two silver bands he wears together on a single finger.
His cellphone with photos of his family and friends.
his good luck charm from Marinette
Cheese - both regular camembert and some of the pre-doused wedges, since he always seems to have that in show even when he doesn't have his either of his bags.
I hope these changes are acceptable, and I am sorry that I did not do a better job on the original app. Thank you for your time and consideration.